OK pintraders, the last word on my eBay purchase from thingsnstuff133, after numerous contacts, including him sending me inactive tracking numbers twice, they just refunded my money Which was bad since I was getting them as gifts for my pin-trading family and now it's too late to replace them. I suspect Ebay was not happy that the seller had also approached me off Ebay to do another deal even while failing to follow thru on this one. Bottom line. This seller will probably be back with another ID. And EBay was awesome in helping resolve the problem!