696.2 #286 (DL Qual #373

Aug 6, 2011 11:06 AM  The Hub
After reading a review in the app store that specifically called me (and a few other mwers) out directly, I just wanted to post a little something. Even though I joke and kid with you guys on here, this is still a community and you guys are a big part of my life. If I offend you or you truthfully feel like I am rude or mean, please contact me privately. I hate to see awful reviews in the app store in general, then to see my name attached to it just sealed the deal. I dont want people to feel like I am unapproachable at the parks or meetups. I am quite the opposite. So remember, nobody can ruin your experience on mw but yourself. If you dont like someones posts.. block them, create your own feed, etc. Admin worked hard to make the lounge customizable for us so take advantage of it! :)

Thanks md :) *hands you a churro* - misschurro...  7126.3 #14 11:09AM
Well said =) And BTW peeps, mdork is a sweetheart - LBChica  2529.7 #60 11:10AM
 - OutNumberedMom  813.2 #233 11:11AM
Oh man.. A churro sounds sooo good!! - michelledork  696.2 #286 11:12AM
 love you Michelle - Dizkid  459.3 #490 11:14AM
I can't wait to meet you! - vegasbrat  420.4 #543 11:18AM
Aww dizkid!! Cant wait to see you again! @vegasbrat.. We should have gotten togehter when auz and I were in vegas! - michelledork  696.2 #286 11:27AM
i just read the reviews and i can only speak for myself on here but I have never had a personal problem with someone directly but i have seen plenty of what those reviews were talking about. it does bother me when people get made fun of and Michelle, this isn't directed towards you but just in general. its really a shame to me that just because someone is new or doesn't know better or even if we don't all share the same opinion, they do get a lot of attention directed to them. blocking and ignoring the situation doesn't make it go away, it just makes you blind to it. for myself, I chose to TRY and not let it bother me and for the most part I keep scrolling but there are times when I get defensive and I just can't help it. it's upsetting because I wanted to fit in with everyone since it's been almost a year for me here but I can't seem to make a connection with everyone. I am how ever, glad I have met some great people on here and hope to make new friends :) - mochamistie  273.2 #1168 11:36AM
That is very sad. I hate to see bad reviews for MW, but you're right that if someone has a problem with you they should talk to you about it personally. I've never seen you say anything rude, but I understand that some people only see what they want when they read posts & comments. I still love you michelledork! - VikkiMouse  182.2 #2261 11:50AM
My phone wants to do updates that I don't want it to do, so I'm staying out of the market. There shouldn't be anything negative and fortunately those who are here and active know what's true - 415beachgirl  475.6 #463 11:56AM
I think of it like going to a new school.... Some people are immediately on the defense. They feel left out bc of the friendships, inside jokes, etc already happening. They don't understand the humor of some people. Then, from the other point of view, everyone is leery of someone news intentions, etc. It's no different in the real world... It's just harder on here bc there's less interaction. I do understand what you guys mean by new people not feeling welcomed... Unfortunately, that happens everywhere. I'm not condoning it, I'm just saying it's one of those things that's sooo hard to get rid of no matter how hard we try. Once one "meanie" leaves, another takes their place. The main purpose of me posting this was just so new mwers and even veterans don't feel like they can't say hi. I don't want new people to join already thinking I'm a jerk, without even knowing me. - michelledork  696.2 #286 12:00PM
Let me start off by say mdork is one of the nicest MWers I've had the pleasure of befriending. The problem that I see nowadays is that new members jump right into the lounge without lurking and getting the feel of the lounge. It's easy to decipher a playful sarcastic comment as "rude". - iFramedRogerRabbit  1957.8 #89 12:07PM
Making a decision on what a person is truly like before you meet them is a big mistake. I'm hoping I get to meet you someday soon, michelledork! Then I'll decide if you're a jerk or not!! ;-) - Gia  802.0 #236 12:09PM
Thanks IFRR :) - michelledork  696.2 #286 12:39PM
On a positive note, on the Canadian MW App store, there has not been any negative responses other than someone stating that the MW app continues to freeze after 5 seconds. That was back in March. Cheers MW! - proudcanuck  478.6 #461 12:55PM
I hate to see reviews based on the users of the app rather than the merits of the app itself. Sorry to hear you were called out directly in a review. - LilSterner  5680.4 #23 1:05PM
I feel bad that you were called out and several other users were as well...kinda sad they felt the need to do that to admin without coming to you first...Michelle you are one of my favorites and have ALWAYS been nice to me.. even as a newbie....that person should be ashamed of themselves for such a cowardly act... - iyuzMickey  515.9 #424 1:13PM
I'm sorry you were called out! That's childish... I can't believe what someone said about Admin?!? Really?! He does nothing?! He's created this amazing app for all of us Disney lovers to enjoy. If people have a problem with it they should just move on. - Madysmommy  151.5 #2730 1:16PM
I can't wait to meet you Michelle! I'm not a newbie, but I feel a little disconnected just because I have never met any of you... :) but that's crazy that they called you out in the app store  - ekwhite  473.0 #469 1:21PM
I havent had any bad experiences, however, I have felt very bad for some people on here. I am a very sensitive person and would be so upset to be treated the way I've seen a few people be treated. It's the ganging up on someone that I feel sad about. I haven't seen Michelle do anything, and I'm not keeping track. I would love to meet the original group, and I'm sure they would be very nice to me. However, if someone didn't like me I think I would just have to leave the app because I'm not thick skinned. I hope you understand what I'm saying. - mommyneedsavacation  148.1 #2788 1:56PM
I've never felt attacked or bullied myself and I've never seen any posts of yours that came across as mean Michelledork. I have a pretty sarcastic sense of humor though. I have seen quite a few new people who have been ridiculed by several OGs and it makes me feel sad for them. There is one of the people mentioned who drama seems to follow a lot. I don't have a problem with her but she seems to be the one common denominator when drama erupts. I don't post much but I've been lurking since November of 09 so I feel like I kind of know a lot of the OGs posting styles. I think anytime you have this many people together, you're going to have personality conflicts and you gave good advice Michelle when you said people should customize MW to what fits them. I've always thought you were friendly, welcoming, and funny. When I don't like something, most of the time I just try to keep scrolling :) - Hesatalkintome  31.0 #6019 6:58PM
Thats horrible that they specified names of MW'ers. Don't let those ppl get to you! You know you are all wonderful people and lots of us here know u guys are awesome! - Principessa  324.4 #802 7:18PM
I enjoyed it. Made me feel famous!!! - Katrayher  781.0 #247 7:28PM
Wow. That's sad that someone would specifically target you and other MWers. I look forward to your posts and hope to meet you all in the parks one day. I didn't read the review, but it seems like they're the one with the problem! - Disneykidds_HaveWeMet  181.9 #2266 7:35PM
I haven't met you in person yet, but I get your sense of humor. I think you are very nice and to the point with your informative posts. I hope to be able to meet you soon. Will you be at the birthday in Oct? - DizGeek  453.6 #497 7:43PM
Don't you love that they even mentioned penny wise?!? Even tho I hate that clown it's an honor he was mentioned!  - mozbaby  132.2 #3061 7:46PM
If you're not careful, Penny will show up to collect his accolades. Beep beep. - Experiment818  1647.2 #106 7:52PM
Wow! I didn't realize anyone was mentioned by name. I wonder if that happened because I urged people to post positive reviews after the negative ones I saw yesterday? I hope not. I just wanted people to post what it's really like here. I mean I feel like a total outsider...but you can't dispute the friendships I've noticed here. If people don't like the lounge then just use the other aspects of the app! I love this place...but there is so much more to this app!!! :-) - ythdudette  1517.9 #114 9:08PM
Don't listen to @Disneykidds...she's a brown noser!......ROTFLOL....J/K...I yuz her...yuz you too michelle =o] - iyuzMickey  515.9 #424 9:21PM
Yuzzzz - michelledork  696.2 #286 10:42PM
I was new and I always felt welcome. Michelle has always been sweet and has always interacted with me in a fun, and kind manner. I don't think it's right to call people out directly, just because you may or may not feel part of the group. Not everyone gets along, not everyone has too, but I've never seen Michelle be mean to anyone. She's the sweetest dorkjerk ever~  - DisneyFanZoe  1249.3 #141 10:48PM
Michelle is one of the nicest MWrs out there. The lounge is like the tide with new people coming in, just read the posts get the idea of the app down and focus on the one thing in common: its all about Disney! - Plumiegirl  10309.8 #8 10:58PM
You are the cutest dork ever! Having said that, this was nicely put! Jerk. ;o) - MomWithAJuiceBoxBuzz  1190.9 #153 10:59PM
I just read the reviews. Mostly positive. Some people don't like OG clicks. I feel sorry for the newbies that see people that were here a long time as if they are freshmen in school and OGs as seniors. Just look at the friendships made and how MWers in the park get together through the Lounge. It is a special love for Disney. I wish everyone feels welcome here. - E-Ticket  1470.1 #117 11:14PM
I haven't been on long. Have yet to meet fellow MWer. When I first post made newbie error asked question right away without saying hi. But when health issue put me down MW picked me up. Those that are called OG's commented on what's my status, have they heard from me, how am I doing. And then after I posted out of Hospital doing good. Those that have points beyond newbie dreams, famous post made here everyday and those that contribute to this FAMILY more than we know. Those were the ones that posted glad to hear, get well,were here for you. And that what I think of everyone here as, a FAMILY. Were all not gonna agree, inside jokes happen between certain peolple, tones took out of context. But at end of day all DISNEY was created with families in mind as well as this APP. - Cricket  224.4 #1709 12:05AM
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ZJ!!!! - toph  2418.2 #64 12:08AM
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Hey ZJ! - michelledork  696.2 #286 1:00AM
That's ridiculous! Why are people calling others out in reviews...get a life people! This is in app not your real life, I promise you can control it lol. I am sad this happened to you :( - MouseketeerforShort  340.3 #725 1:07AM
@chip If you have an issue, feel free to message me if you need any clarification or if you just feel like sucking on my left toe. Either one works for me! Idk if I can clarify at the same time as the toe thing though, that's way distracting. - michelledork  696.2 #286 1:08AM
I can't believe that anyone would refer to someone specific in a review. Good Lord... you're reviewing the APP, not the people who post on it! And bottom line...IMO it's like complaining about a TV show. If you don't want to watch, change the channel! I've never met you michelledork, but I like your sense of humor, or maybe I should say that I get your sense of humor. :) - msdizmaui  744.0 #266 1:11AM
Haters gonna hate. Stay cute, Michelle :) - ladylikesdisney  945.0 #200 1:13AM
People always have to complain about something - jon-t  190.5 #2145 1:20AM
True dat Jon t... Then you'll have people like me who complain about the people who always have something to complain about  - michelledork  696.2 #286 1:22AM
Heck I'm a bitter person. Yet nothing you all do makes me feel bitter. - jon-t  190.5 #2145 1:24AM
Michelle this person who posted this probably contributes nothing to mousewait!!! And FYI to anyone who writes anything negative this is a social lounge people can write what they want and that's that. You are supposed to review the app not the people. If it were a review for facebook would u write that people don't like u on there either'n!!!! Sorry about my rant. PUI:). Um u contribute to MW michelle . Like the walk u are doing at Disneyland and contributing to autism research! So nice of you  - mozbaby  132.2 #3061 1:26AM
the moz sisters - michelledork  696.2 #286 1:27AM
I am offended by your post ;-) - SpencerPhreak  114.6 #3385 1:37AM

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So from the looks of it, there is not even one app made for those of us on android. You know there are millions of people who do not own iPhones. Its kind of rediculous these days not to offer an android version of apps. Would love to help this site grow by donating, but I see no point in that when there appears to be no intrest by the app builders here to support android. I mean how about atleast a partialy functional app so we can feel that the android users are even wanted as a part of the mousewait community. I see lots of requests and sad posts about no android, but dont see any replys by the site to the fact that anyone is even working on it.I've checked back here every so offten to see if there is anything for android users, but never bothered joining until today.I just wanted to rant a little, and now I am done.Unfortunalty, at this point I think I am officaily giving up on mousewait. Thanks for reading  and understanding my frustrations ( i hope ) and please everyone........Have a Disney-tastic day!Mark - molney14u  0.0 #127134 11:05AM
I have an iPhone and an old droid. I use the old droid for wait times when my iPhone can't connect and it works fine. There's so many droid phones to have  separate apps for but I hope android makers would start using the basic same code and security but I'm probably wishing on a star for that . I miss my droid but a lot of apps don't work the same.  - secretagentangel  5756.8 #22 8:10PM

Play Disneyland Trivia with your friends for FREE! See the list of TRIVILATOR usernames on this page. Play from any device with our new web version

Cool admin. Hope I do better than the first one. Hope people that enter will be ready to play and the tournament moves along better - Goofytom  2424.7 #63 6:41PM
Yes, 1 question every 24 hrs was difficult to stick with.  - DisneyMom13  301.7 #933 6:28PM
Oh 😂😂 just realized that post was 2+ years old😂😂 well people are still taking turns very slowly. Maybe it's the app, not the players.  - DisneyMom13  301.7 #933 6:34PM
I will announce the December tournament date this week. - Admin 11:58PM
Can't wait! - sawman911  2783.4 #49 6:30PM
Still waiting. 😂😂😂 - MeridaFan  4243.8 #36 12:59PM
There should be a droid version of this. I. would love to play  - bryanjung1997  1.1 #68045 2:19PM
I end up deleting games while in progress due to opponents leaving me hanging FOR-EH-VER!!! - MommyandBash  408.1 #561 12:18PM
It happens, if you want start a game and I'll play you. I take a couple days off a week but I'll finish the games I start. - richiii3  1369.4 #130 2:20PM

Here are the Weekly Top 10 TRIVILATOR Players. Find people to play here. Play Disneyland Trivia with your friends on iOS. Play on any device with our new web version here.

1. DisneyMakesMeSmile
4.38

2. teapotsandteacups
3.7

3. Goofytom
2.43

4. sheridanrabbit
1.43

5. DisneyMom13
1.09

6. beentoall
0.31

7. mamabeam
0.23

8. Moog
0.16

9. fidgar
0.04

10. otilegna
0.03

 

Yay @@Moog!!!! So great!  😁 - valj84DisneyDeppAddict  296.1 #971 6:28PM
You sweet thing!  You crack me up!  I'm merely an apprentice being schooled by @@Tom!! - Moog  95.9 #3705 11:33AM
👋❤️ - Tom  12229.6 #5 11:47AM
Wtg @@DisneyMakesMeSmile and @@Moog ;) - otilegna  2692.8 #54 7:41PM
A major compliment from someone who hands me my you know what every game, @@otilegna 😜!!! - Moog  95.9 #3705 8:05PM
Yay !!!  - otilegna  2692.8 #54 9:42AM
Any tips on how to keep a game going?  Seems like the past few times I've played Random the other person stops playing and I can't finish the game.  :( - azbellatink  246.2 #1427 12:47AM
Invite  people  to play in the to 10 for the week. We don't  all play everyday but you'll  get your game finished.  - richiii3  1369.4 #130 10:45PM
Yay I made the list!!!!!!  - DayDreamsOfDisneyland  149.4 #2769 7:02PM
 YOU!!! Having fun playing!! - DisneyMom13  301.7 #933 5:01PM
Well done:-).  I'm enjoying playing your games.  Thank you. - beentoall  814.6 #0 2:19AM

Here are the upcoming MouseWait Events. You can post your event on mobile here, and on the web here. Thanks!

1. #MWMEETUP TRIVIA, Disney Racers and More
May 06, 2016 06:00pm

2. Az meet up
May 28, 2016 06:00pm

3. #MWMEETUP ONE LAST TIME
Aug 06, 2016 12:00pm

MouseWait Meetups 2016
what is happening for one last time on aug 6? - MsTikiMermadam  1241.8 #145 12:31AM
It was January 8 I think but I left it as I think it's funny😂😂😂 I'll have to delete it😭😭 - secretagentangel  5756.8 #22 7:55PM
ok,  last time for btr....  😹 - MsTikiMermadam  1241.8 #145 6:03AM
It looks like we need to get more official meet-ups happening in the parks.  😄 - LaPearleNoir  2184.7 #74 9:38AM
I do one a week but we need more! We were saying last week to add an Astro blaster to Friday maybe? We could do a monorail or BRMRR sweeper too😂😂Plus I'm trying to post a few ahead of time so people can plan. Next week the meetup we do for MW  had to be Friday again but hopefully Tuesday  the next week! We have two very cool ones coming up next month! It's a secret😎😎😎😎 - secretagentangel  5756.8 #22 9:47PM
Your Tuesday night meet up is great but I'm just remembering all the meetups we used to have.  I wonder what the meet ups are next month..... I'll be there with my  - LaPearleNoir  2184.7 #74 10:30PM
i keep ending up with tues classes,  and missing the tues meetups.  so glad i have made a few of them! - MsTikiMermadam  1241.8 #145 6:05AM
I'll post the ones I know about, I'm switching some to weekends too. And maybe get a few others too! 😊 - secretagentangel  5756.8 #22 8:49PM
Sad but won't be there until 2017 but would really love to meet some of you incredible people - mjpdisney67  33.5 #5795 6:45PM
Would love to be able to attend a meetup someday! - jackattacksmom  19.0 #7734 11:36PM

Did you know that you can find refurb info with a quick iPhone Spotlight Search? Learn how to find updated Disneyland info fast with a few hidden tricks in MouseWait 9. Post your tips below!



 
Deadliest Cast Member SEASON TWO is here! Find out what really happened on Disneyland's 50th Anniversary. Twenty-four hours or real-time action, authentic Disneyland history, and a finale that you'll never forget. EVENTS OCCUR IN REAL TIME. Download it to any device from Amazon here.

Will there be a Season 3??  Please??? - YoPirate  1453.7 #120 8:03PM
Will there be a 3 and when? - menifeemom  224.9 #1701 7:31PM
- MommyandBash  408.1 #561 10:29AM
@Admin  HOPE you are working on #3!  - Dianat710  52.8 #4754 5:41PM

Credits Hall of Fame. This real-time list honors the top Credits purchasers by showing the total number of Credits purchased. These MouseWaiters play an integral part in helping us maintain and innovate. Thank you to everyone who buys Credits in the MW iOS app, TRIVILATOR, and Goat Effect!

1. secretagentangel
97300

2. jacdanfan
95000

3. iLOVELUCYnDISNEY
78500

4. leopardditz2000
71000

5. DisneyGrandma
65000

6. teapotsandteacups
60000

7. Melody_CM
55000

8. debbiev
52750

9. DarthFairy
48950

10. MeridaFan
46130

 

  Well done and congratulations.  Now I know how some people have so many stickers.  Keep up the good work:-) - beentoall  814.6 #0 2:55AM
And they share - suzieq65  135.1 #3007 9:06PM
@DisLUVney, lol weren't we just talking about this haha - MinnieTinker  652.8 #313 8:58PM
I can't help myself....help me. 😂 - DisLUVney  635.6 #327 9:23PM
I finally made a list besides wait times.wait times has become almost impossible with the crowds,reception blows.but thank you for all you do@@@@Admin - DarthFairy  474.0 #467 7:43PM
!!! And I thought working up to 73 credits was good lol - sunvalgifts  109.1 #3488 12:21PM

Here is the Overall Quality Top 10 real-time list. Follow these MouseWaiters for great content:

1. CobbPR
6910

2. uscdisneyteacher
6637

3. Winnie111286
6230

4. Dave
6112

5. BaseballMickey
5962

6. misschurro...
5782

7. Plumiegirl
5545

8. Duchess_SMK
5466

9. pikarich
5307

10. Stitch_Legacy
4717



SEE THE TOP 100

This list needs to be updated! Just saying😬 - MadameLeota  4427.7 #33 9:51PM
FINALLY!  Thank you!  - MadameLeota  4427.7 #33 2:34PM
is this just a standing thing? Never changes? - DarthFairy  474.0 #467 8:06PM

Here are the Top 10 MouseWaiters of All-Time:

1. Coaster
20149

2. Melody_CM
16113.8

3. Winnie111286
15858

4. Dave
13763.9

5. Tom
12229.6

6. jacdanfan
11881.2

7. goofygal
11474

8. Plumiegirl
10309.8

9. ShariRenee
9623.29

10. uscdisneyteacher
8354.09


Such great people on this list, many who doSo much for the app. 😍😍 - secretagentangel  5756.8 #22 2:09PM
Yay! Thank you! - Song  2242.4 #72 8:50AM
 I bow down to you....real fast....like Aladdin drops in front of the Royal Princess, Jasmine! - DisneyMom13  301.7 #933 1:53PM
Congrats - superdisneyman80  170.5 #2435 8:22PM

Deadliest Cast Member Season One & Two + VOYAGEERS Multiplaner & Great Storyteller are both available to read on Kindle Unlimited! You can sign up for a free 30 day trial of Kindle Unlimited and read all four books at no charge! Go here to access the books on Amazon. Thanks for your support! 

- MommyandBash  408.1 #561 4:52PM
- MissAmericaSings  427.2 #528 7:58AM
- RetroDisneyPins2002  42.7 #5196 1:39PM
We want more books - sctoaonk75  286.1 #1032 7:42PM

Get a quick overview of the new features in MouseWait 9 for iOS, our biggest update since 2009! Get the free version here, or upgrade to Platinum here

Just installed the MW app on my new phone yesterday. This will be very helpful for me since I am used to the android version. Thank you. - teapotsandteacups  337.6 #738 11:41PM

What if Walt never dreamed of Disneyland? What would your life be like? What would the world be like? Get Book Two of the VOYAGEERS Saga - The Great Storyteller - on Amazon. Buy the Paperback and get the Kindle version FREE! 

Thank you Admin! This book is a great read. I recommend it to anyone who is a Disney fan. Can't wait for the next one! - grumpypapa  6569.9 #17 8:38PM
Thank you for reading! - Admin  6:26PM
cant wait to read it - ebugsmama  19.6 #7613 10:32PM
- disneyforme  242.8 #1478 7:33PM
  - teapotsandteacups  337.6 #738 10:17PM

Follow the new MouseWait Blog for updates, how-tos, tips, contests, and more! (Big Thunder pic by CJ)

Iam new to this love reading the post and looking at the pictures   - Disneydollarpam  54.0 #4705 9:01AM
- DisneyMom13  301.7 #933 10:32AM
 Always taking care of us... we love u Admin!!!  - calidream1  398.0 #579 7:05PM
- CT4625  45.2 #5084 12:14PM
I know it's awesome to know your not alone as a Disneyland freak  - mjpdisney67  33.5 #5795 7:26AM


Hey I'm finally on this list 😄👍🎉 - Sweet_Irish_Cream  4409.2 #34 10:39PM
Your always on the list!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂list of what I don't know😝😝😝😝😝😝😝😝😝😝😝. Jk - Fantasmicfan1  2119.8 #75 12:34PM
Fantasmicfan1 I just read that in the voice of Rodney Dangerfield from Back to School! - KennyV  1229.6 #147 3:48PM
Love seeing everyone's pictures from Disneyland !! I know, we always have a good time :) - Lyssa2012  196.1 #2080 11:22PM
i am so glad i got to experience it,  but did not have to go thru it! - MsTikiMermadam  1241.8 #145 5:56AM
Nice, my first time on the list and I have 2! Thank you!   - sunvalgifts  109.1 #3488 11:56AM
Oops! It didn't seem to post the first time lol. Sorry for the double post.  - sunvalgifts  109.1 #3488 11:58AM
Thank you to all who post from the park!! Love seeing the park when I cannot be there. - snowgrey  7.6 #13624 2:49PM

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